American Crisis
American Crisis
American Crisis, Ep. 4: Ruth Ben-Ghiat on creeping autocracy in the U.S.
3
0:00
-36:45

American Crisis, Ep. 4: Ruth Ben-Ghiat on creeping autocracy in the U.S.

An expert lucidly explains how democracies can fail when authoritarian leaders gain power
3

A few days before the 2016 presidential election, the New Yorker magazine published a prescient interview with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a scholar and historian with a particular interest in Mussolini. (She also writes the excellent Lucid newsletter here on Substack.)

“These people are mass marketers,” she said then about populist strongmen — including a certain presidential candidate. “They give the impression of talking directly to the people.” A few days later, of course, Donald Trump was elected, and the rest is, well, still-developing history.

A headshot of a woman with pale skin, shoulder length blonde hair and blue eyes, wearing a red dress
Author and historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat recognized Donald Trump as a would-be authoritarian figure long before most others did

I have tremendous respect for Ben-Ghiat’s scholarship and her superb ability to educate journalists and citizens about the dangers of these autocratic figures. She’s also a lot of fun to talk to.


American Crisis is a community-supported project where I explore how journalism can help save democracy. Please consider joining us!


I hope you’ll enjoy our conversation and learn as much from it as I did. I was relieved to hear her observations about some positive developments around the world as ordinary people push back against authoritarian threats to democracy. And I enjoyed hearing about a new project of hers that will follow her excellent 2020 book, “Strongmen: From Mussolini to the Present.”

I want to sincerely thank all the new subscribers to American Crisis, many of whom joined up this week after I published my first piece of media criticism here, under the tag “Media Maelstrom.” In that piece, I wrote about how the mainstream media adopts right-wing framing as a defense mechanism and the insidious damage that practice does; I gave recent examples of this failing from ABC News and the New York Times.

It came through loud and clear that you appreciate this and want to see more of it. To those of you who wrote a private message with your new paid subscriptions, telling me why you decided to support my work, please know that I read each one with deeply felt gratitude. And do stay tuned for more!

A photo of a large rally of people waving American flags and Trump signs, above the rally a large screen shows a closeup of the eyes of former president Donald Trump
Images of Donald Trump sent a carefully conceived message to his followers on Jan. 6, 2021 / Getty Images

Leave a comment

Discussion about this podcast